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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from fulfilling his ministry, we have learned that the late pope's the person in charge of his affairs. incredibly unusualnusual. right to dan lothian at the white house. did they have a close relationship. a typical relationship that you would have between a pope and world leader? >> i think it can be described as a respectful relationship, and the two have met, on one time face to face as far as we're aware, and back in 2009, overseas to agana and moscow, met face to face for 25 minutes, talked about billions of dollars in aid to developing countries and much of their discussion, food aid and discussion centere
6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from...
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paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of his life. benedict xvi, while i think certainly ahe certainly admiring john paul, thinks that's not the path that every pope takes. some of the difficulties the vatican faced in recent years. internal disarray relating to the leaked crisis. the damage imposed upon the public image of the church by the sex abuse scandals and so on, it's clear that that has taken a toll on benedict xvi, he has struggled with that personally and it may well be that the people who have seen the cumulative effect of that, that the church needs a new lease on life and a fresh
paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of...
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pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but right now all of that timing is being worked out. suzanne. >> all right. deb, thank you. i appreciate it. >>> the former navy s.e.a.l. who reportedly fired the shot that killed osama bin laden is said to be furious with the u.s. military. he has no pension or medical insurance, and according to an investigative piece in esquire magazine called the man who shot and killed osama bin laden, the shooter who is not named, he told a friend, this is a quote here, he says if i get killed on this next deployment. i know my family will be taken care of. but if i come back and retire, i won't hav
pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but...
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>> it's interesting, in our lifetime, pope paul the vi was in his 80s and pope john paul ii was 85. it depends. it depends. what the cardinals are looking for, what the cardinals are seeking in someone to take pope benedict's place, in my mind, we watched pope john paul become a grandfather. pope benedict walked out on the world stage as a grandfather, it was a interesting and different experience of his fatherly qualities, as you know, from having met him, the gentle kind way that he had. but, you know, i think that depends on what the college of cardinals is looking for. pope benedict was a teacher and he spent his time teaching and he taught well and with great clarity. so, it is a matter of preference of the college of cardinals and as we believe in the church the working of the holy spirit. >> we will stay in close touch with you, bishop. thank you so much, and thank you for everything that you have done. thanks for inviting me to catholic university, i appreciate it and thank you for coming here to the situation room. >> it was great to be with you, wolf, you take care. god bl
>> it's interesting, in our lifetime, pope paul the vi was in his 80s and pope john paul ii was 85. it depends. it depends. what the cardinals are looking for, what the cardinals are seeking in someone to take pope benedict's place, in my mind, we watched pope john paul become a grandfather. pope benedict walked out on the world stage as a grandfather, it was a interesting and different experience of his fatherly qualities, as you know, from having met him, the gentle kind way that he...
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paul ii or pope benedict xvi. the things like ordination of women in the priesthood, i do not believe it's realistic to think that whoever emerges from the sistine chapel is the next pope of the catholic church is going to overturn church teachings on those points. i do think what is perhaps not only realistic, but quite probable, is that one thing that is very much going to be on the minds of the cardinals who are electing the next pope, whatever else they do, it is critical to make sure whoever they pick has a profile of having clean hands on the crisis, that is, he has to come across as part of the solution to this crisis rather than part of the problem. >> john, thanks so much for your analysis as always. and also, michael, thanks for joining us. >> coming up, the oscar pistorius case apracticing worldwide attention. everybody has an opinion on what they believe happened. >> wait until you see this story. a mother and father in south africa they know they say firsthand what the athlete is going through. humans
paul ii or pope benedict xvi. the things like ordination of women in the priesthood, i do not believe it's realistic to think that whoever emerges from the sistine chapel is the next pope of the catholic church is going to overturn church teachings on those points. i do think what is perhaps not only realistic, but quite probable, is that one thing that is very much going to be on the minds of the cardinals who are electing the next pope, whatever else they do, it is critical to make sure...
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following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new here, wolf. and i think that's part of the reason this came as a surprise to so many people. certainly we know his age, 85 years old, and as a physician there's all sorts of different things that you certainly worry about. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke. he had a hemorrhage in his brain they think back in 1991 that may have been due to a stroke. but a long time ago, and there was no evidence of anything recently along those lines. he had a fall where he broke his wrist in 2009. and there's been pictures of him where he seems to maybe more increasing
following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new...
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and what you have now is, you know, 2005, i was here when pope john paul ii died, and we had the conclave for pope benedict xvi election. now, at that time there was a lot of criticism that cardinal bernard law was coming here to take part in that conclave. at that time the vatican said that it's up to -- it's his duty, and he should come. now they're changing their tone somewhat about these others who are embroiled in these scandals and saying, well, it's up to him. they don't want now, here in the vatican, to take responsibility for these cardinals coming here. they're saying no, it's up to him. and obviously many of them were hoping that they wouldn't come. >> christiane amanpour working for us at the vatican and father albert cutie, thank you both for your input. >>> as we move along, here are two things you never want to hear in the same sentence, horse meat and ikea meatballs. it's happened and we'll explain after this break. card rewards are easy to remember with the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ both ] 2% back on groceries. [ a
and what you have now is, you know, 2005, i was here when pope john paul ii died, and we had the conclave for pope benedict xvi election. now, at that time there was a lot of criticism that cardinal bernard law was coming here to take part in that conclave. at that time the vatican said that it's up to -- it's his duty, and he should come. now they're changing their tone somewhat about these others who are embroiled in these scandals and saying, well, it's up to him. they don't want now, here...
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paul ii. have a listen to this. >> people said, if anyone should have resigned, it was he. parkinson parkinson's, couldn't get around. i think it is the image, the visual image of a man incapacitated. people say, well, how much is he really doing that? how much does he have his hands on the pulse of what is happening? >> chris cuomo this morning. father, do you think just straight up do you think his successor might find wisdom in the notion of hanging it up early, maybe set a precedent here? >> i agree with the quotations of the priest. we need a person, a leader, a real leader with good health, a wise man, continuing to train and i agree with benedict sistine and he has few guideline -- very clear, if i don't have the health, spirituality, mentality, and everything, i will resign. and it is simple for us. the doctrine is continuing to be the same. i think it is an example for everybody, the leader, the church, continuing. it is much better. resign now. >> italian popes, think of polish, curr
paul ii. have a listen to this. >> people said, if anyone should have resigned, it was he. parkinson parkinson's, couldn't get around. i think it is the image, the visual image of a man incapacitated. people say, well, how much is he really doing that? how much does he have his hands on the pulse of what is happening? >> chris cuomo this morning. father, do you think just straight up do you think his successor might find wisdom in the notion of hanging it up early, maybe set a...
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the cardinal from argentina who is with the chief of staff under john paul ii, a very good manager. but the truth is this is all sound and fury signifying nothing until those 117 cardinals who are under 80 and have the right to vote for the next pope get here to rome, roll up their sleeves, and get to work. >> and is that done in the same way we've seen in years past after the pope has died, the white smoke, the black smoke, and all of that? >> reporter: that's right. in fact, it will be very shortly from now that they'll get the process ready. they'll have to put in a fake floor like they did last time to put in jamming devices that will prohibit anyone from eavesdropping electronically what is going on in the sistine chapel. also, they'll install a stove and prepare the chemical cartridges that will turn the black smoke into white smoke when they've elected the pope. >> and, john, what will he do next? is he referred to as like a former pope? where will he live? what will he do? >> reporter: he's got another month on the job, so we're presuming he's going to carry out his regular
the cardinal from argentina who is with the chief of staff under john paul ii, a very good manager. but the truth is this is all sound and fury signifying nothing until those 117 cardinals who are under 80 and have the right to vote for the next pope get here to rome, roll up their sleeves, and get to work. >> and is that done in the same way we've seen in years past after the pope has died, the white smoke, the black smoke, and all of that? >> reporter: that's right. in fact, it...
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paul ii. one of of the reasons it's in a better place today is because of pope benedict. who as cardinal ratzinger, he didn't get it at the beginning, but he listened and he learned and he pushed and he threw hundreds of priests out -- bad priests out of the priesthood. so the church is in a much better position today. mostly due to pope benedict than it was in the past. >> yeah, a lot of -- great to get your thoughts. a lot of people, of course, would disagree and still a lot of angst and a lot of people who say that the pontiff was stymied at attempts for reform. we will see what happens the next time around. we do appreciate your thoughts. reverend thomas reese, jesuit priest. thanks for your time today. >>> the last week and a half we have heard blt murder allegations against oscar pistorius, but he is not the only family member who's now in trouble. >> carl pistorius is facing homicide charges. all about a traffic accident. we'll have that story coming up. so...how'd it go? well, dad, i s
paul ii. one of of the reasons it's in a better place today is because of pope benedict. who as cardinal ratzinger, he didn't get it at the beginning, but he listened and he learned and he pushed and he threw hundreds of priests out -- bad priests out of the priesthood. so the church is in a much better position today. mostly due to pope benedict than it was in the past. >> yeah, a lot of -- great to get your thoughts. a lot of people, of course, would disagree and still a lot of angst...
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the cardinal from argentina who is with the chief of staff under john paul ii, a very good manager. this is all sound and fury signifying nothing until those 117 cardinals who are under 80 and have the right to vote for the next pope get here to rome, roll up their sleeves, and get to work. >> is that done the ways we have seen in the past after a pope has died, the white smoke, black smoke, all of that? >> it will be very shortly from now that they'll get the process ready. they will have to put jamming devices that will prohibit anyone from eavesdropping electronically what is going on in the sistine chapel. also, they'll install a stove and prepare the chemical cartridges that will turn the black smoke into white smoke when they elect the pope. >> is he referred to as the former pope? where will he lev, what will he do? >> he's guard another month on the job, so we're presuming he's going to carry out his regular calendar. this week, of course, features ash wednesday, the beginning of lent for catholics. we presume he'll do hes regular sunday address. once february 28th, 8:00 rom
the cardinal from argentina who is with the chief of staff under john paul ii, a very good manager. this is all sound and fury signifying nothing until those 117 cardinals who are under 80 and have the right to vote for the next pope get here to rome, roll up their sleeves, and get to work. >> is that done the ways we have seen in the past after a pope has died, the white smoke, black smoke, all of that? >> it will be very shortly from now that they'll get the process ready. they...
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we didn't have quite this deluge of information 2005 when pope john paul died and as we watched the election of pope benedict xvi. obviously it had already come out in the unite and there are lots of reports but hadn't exploded in europe. i'm talking to vatican insiders and watchers who say this may explode in other parts of the world as well, that it is a bit of a ticking timebomb. in that regard, it is different. clearly the church is really -- they just simply can't believe that all these headlines are happening the very final week of pope benedict's reign. so they're desperately trying to get out from under this deluge of bad news and hope at least the next two days are going to be much more devoted to the final religious tasks of pope benedict. tomorrow he has his final general audience. they've handed out tens of thousands of tickets. st. peter's square behind me is going to be filled. there's going to be the traditional popemobile circular around st. peter's square. then the gradual ceremonial steps that are going to be taken before pope benedict xvi leave. but unprecedented in this w
we didn't have quite this deluge of information 2005 when pope john paul died and as we watched the election of pope benedict xvi. obviously it had already come out in the unite and there are lots of reports but hadn't exploded in europe. i'm talking to vatican insiders and watchers who say this may explode in other parts of the world as well, that it is a bit of a ticking timebomb. in that regard, it is different. clearly the church is really -- they just simply can't believe that all these...
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i know john paul ii, whom we knew quite well, went through a lot more ordeals and i think more health problems than pope benedict, but i don't -- i'm not in a position to criticize. i don't know what his status of health is. >> but if an american president retired on the grounds of exhaustion, they would be ridiculed, wouldn't it? >> i think it wasn't just exhaustion, but he wasn't able to handle the mental challenges to handle his job. it's up to him to make a decision. not been done much in the past. >> a lot of people when i said i was interviewing you. >> yes. >> said to me, as long as last time, said he's the greatest post president america has ever had. is that compliment or a veiled insult? >> i take it as a compliment. my wife would take it maybe as a veiled insult. we did a lot of good things when we brought peace to egypt. we formed an alliance with china after 35 years, we told the truth, we kept our country at peace for four years, which is a rare thing. >> incredibly rare. >> i think we -- peace and human rights. >> has the role of president changed dramatically do you th
i know john paul ii, whom we knew quite well, went through a lot more ordeals and i think more health problems than pope benedict, but i don't -- i'm not in a position to criticize. i don't know what his status of health is. >> but if an american president retired on the grounds of exhaustion, they would be ridiculed, wouldn't it? >> i think it wasn't just exhaustion, but he wasn't able to handle the mental challenges to handle his job. it's up to him to make a decision. not been...
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benedict i think also probably stepped down, because, remember, he watched john paul ii's demise and watched his powers fade, and what happens when a pope declines in power, the bureaucracy in inevitably increases. and i don't think he particularly enjoyed what was happening aat that time and may be seeing tremors again. and he decided to go ahead and retire early. >> let's stay on successors for a moment. any possibility that an american would -- we have dolan on there. is there any possibility we could see an american pope? >> i love cardinal dolan. i have known him since he was a priest. if i could elect a pope, i would elect dolan. but half of these election fors are europeans, the other half are predominantly africans and asians. the likelihood of them electing an american pope is remote. america has such a huge influence on the world to give them a papacy would be a bridge too far. that was the mind-set into the last conclave. look for a european, right now, if you were -- you know, begging me to give you an answer, i would probably say look at cardinal oullette from canada, wh
benedict i think also probably stepped down, because, remember, he watched john paul ii's demise and watched his powers fade, and what happens when a pope declines in power, the bureaucracy in inevitably increases. and i don't think he particularly enjoyed what was happening aat that time and may be seeing tremors again. and he decided to go ahead and retire early. >> let's stay on successors for a moment. any possibility that an american would -- we have dolan on there. is there any...
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look i was standing in precisely the same place back in 2005, eight years ago when pope john paul ii died and we went into the conclave which finally produced pope benedict xvi. that took a week and several false starts. when they can't come to a consensus you have the black smoke emanating from that special chimney in st. peter's and then finally the white smoke and then you don't even know who it is until the archbishop deacon cardinals deacon comes to the window and announces a new pope and only after that the new pope comes to the within to and is greeted. but that was still at least two weeks away. at least tweaks away from that being finalized. >> is the italian media still all over the scandals that are going on involving sex and intrigue, all that stuff that we've seen in those rome newspapers over the past few days, or have they moved on? >> well, they pretty much moved on. that of course was a big story over the weekend and into monday, the beginning of this week. as you can imagine it drove the vatican mad. they were really angry, angry with the press for writing about it,
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from kentucky has said that he is willing to hold up that vote on john brennan. if he doesn't receive assurances from the white house that the united states will not target any drone strikes on americans on american soil. so some of this information i think the administration is hoping will at least for now satisfy some of those members with these concerns, wolf. >> it's going to be a tough battle, i take it. both of these confirmations likely to go through next week. but it's by no means a done deal, is it? >> reporter: it's not a -- especially when you have senators saying they may hold up nominees and so we're going to have to wait and see whether or not senator paul is satisfied with the information that he's getting from the white house. but this is perhaps, you know, a break in an impasse that we've seen for many, many months, especially over this issue of benghazi. we heard senator lindsey graham from south carolina almost basically stomp his feet up on capitol hill saying he is just not getting enough on this issue of benghazi. and according to this congr
from kentucky has said that he is willing to hold up that vote on john brennan. if he doesn't receive assurances from the white house that the united states will not target any drone strikes on americans on american soil. so some of this information i think the administration is hoping will at least for now satisfy some of those members with these concerns, wolf. >> it's going to be a tough battle, i take it. both of these confirmations likely to go through next week. but it's by no means...
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john boehner drowned his sorrows and compared robert pattinson's nervous tick to water sip. >> we've got to talk about "twilight." >> there are rumors -- >> when paul ryan debated joe biden for the vice presidentsy, his sips ended up as a skit on snl. >> i may not go every sunday, but on christmas eve -- >> two handed chug with one thing. comedians made fun of what they called marco rubio's cotton mouth dry noises. >>
john boehner drowned his sorrows and compared robert pattinson's nervous tick to water sip. >> we've got to talk about "twilight." >> there are rumors -- >> when paul ryan debated joe biden for the vice presidentsy, his sips ended up as a skit on snl. >> i may not go every sunday, but on christmas eve -- >> two handed chug with one thing. comedians made fun of what they called marco rubio's cotton mouth dry noises. >>
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john avlon is cnn contributor and senior political columnist for "newsweek" and "the daily beast." good to see you. matt kibby is president of the group freedomworks which supports tea party candidates. good to see you. both coming to us from washington. gentlemen, civil wars are often long bloody fights leaving both sides in the end. is that the path the gop is on? why is the gop allowing this fight to be so nasty and public? >> i think the republican party has always contained a lot of competing conservative tribes. this factional fight is coming to the front forefront because of the disastrous election, the amount of money fueling these different factions and a deep philosophical division between more center right folks and social conservatives. there's fundamental contradictions that need to get worked out. >> so matt, can there possibly be a winner out of this kind of fight, the republicans versus the tea party movement? >> i think the american people are going to win. i'm not sure this is just a fight in the republican party. i think it's a broader paradigm shift. i think you
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joe johns and rene marsh, thanks to you. >>> rand paul says these forced budget cuts simply don't go far enough. i'm going to be speaking with him later about it. i'm filling in for anderson cooper on ac 360 right here on cnn. much more coming up here in "the situation room" as well. >>> meanwhile, a surprise announcement by president obama. the man who led allied forces in afghanistan is retiring from the united states military. the marine corps john allen was on track to become nato's next supreme commander but he's stepping down because of health issues in his family. the president calls general allen one of america's finest military leaders. now he will retire. >>> let's get to one of the most daring robberies we've seen in some time. thieves dressed as police broke into an airport in europe, got into a plane's cargo hold, and got away with some $50 million in diamonds. cnn's tom foreman has the details which sound straight out of a film from hollywood. what happened here, tom? >> you're right, wolf. here's brussels, belgian, and this is what happened. this airplane was getting r
joe johns and rene marsh, thanks to you. >>> rand paul says these forced budget cuts simply don't go far enough. i'm going to be speaking with him later about it. i'm filling in for anderson cooper on ac 360 right here on cnn. much more coming up here in "the situation room" as well. >>> meanwhile, a surprise announcement by president obama. the man who led allied forces in afghanistan is retiring from the united states military. the marine corps john allen was on...